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Episode #45: What can existential psychotherapy do for your ability to flourish?, with Dr. Sara Kuburic

We interview Dr. Sara Kuburic, existential psychotherapist, writer, and columnist for USA Today, about how existential psychotherapy can help us to flourish.
In particular, we discuss Sara’s work on “self-loss”: what it is, how to identify it and rebuild our sense of self; how overcoming self-loss can help us flourish; and how to live a more authentic and meaningful life.
Sara is the author of It’s On Me: Accept Hard Truths, Discover Your Self, and Change Your Life (Penguin Random House, 2023). The book is a guide to identifying self-loss – one of our greatest unspoken human sufferings, that feeling of being estranged or disconnected from your true self – so we can stop feeling the pain and emptiness that comes from performing or observing life, rather than living it.
Sarah was born in Yugoslavia and raised in Canada, and completed her doctorate in psychotherapy science in Vienna, under the supervision of Dr. Alfried Längle, the founder of existential analysis. She is a trauma-informed clinician with a person-centered approach that is grounded in existential analysis, as well as somatic and experiential techniques. She specializes in moral trauma, identity, existential crisis, and relationship issues.
 
Sara is passionate about helping people seek change and live authentic, free, and meaningful lives. Her interest in psychology stems from her personal experience living through wars, navigating complex relationships, and continually learning what it means to be human.
 
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Timestamps:
00:00:05 - Introduction to Dr. Sarah Kuburic
00:00:26 - Understanding Self-Loss
00:00:37 - Sara's Approach to Psychotherapy
00:01:05 - The Existential Lens on Flourishing
00:02:02 - Defining Existential Psychotherapy
00:03:04 - Core Concepts in Existential Psychotherapy
00:03:38 - Empowering Clients to Face Truths
00:04:08 - Sara’s Specialisms: Moral Trauma and Identity
00:04:42 - Insights from Existential Psychotherapy Practice
00:05:05 - Study on Moral Injury in Infidelity
00:06:20 - Understanding our Sense of Self
00:07:09 - The Ingredients of our Sense of Self
00:08:33 - Constructing vs. Finding the Self
00:09:34 - Self-Loss and the Journey to Self-Discovery
00:10:19 - The Process of Creating the Self
00:11:42 - The Role of Community in Self-Formation
00:12:17 - Trauma and Its Impact on the Self
00:13:33 - The Importance of Facing Ourselves
00:14:15 - The Role of Responsibility in Flourishing
00:16:09 - The Complexity of Human Psychology and Trauma
00:17:33 - The Connection Between Trauma and Self-Loss
00:18:32 - The Role of Flourishing in Existential Psychotherapy
00:19:32 - The Complexity of Moral Trauma and Infidelity
00:20:37 - The Relationship Between Flourishing and Suffering
00:21:07 - The Importance of Community and Humor in Well-Being
00:22:21 - Psychological Flexibility and Inner Safety
00:23:27 - The Role of Responsibility in a Good Life
00:25:06 - Building Inner Safety and Trust in Oneself
00:26:08 - The Empowering Message of Responsibility
00:27:16 - The Role of Reflection in Building Well-Being
00:28:46 - Practical Tips for Self-Discovery and Well-Being
00:30:14 - The Role of Community in Authentic Living
00:31:24 - Using Humor and Reflection for Self-Understanding
00:32:20 - The Runaway Bride Analogy for Self-Discovery
00:33:11 - The Importance of Continual Self-Exploration
00:34:03 - Disconnection from Self: Emotions, Body, and Mind
00:35:17 - Cultural Observations on Flourishing and Self
00:36:07 - The Role of Community and Confidence in Self-Formation
00:37:04 - Finding Meaning in Suffering for Fulfillment
00:38:58 - Psychological Richness and Flexibility
00:39:55 - WEIRD Populations in Psychological Research
00:40:05 - Building Psychological Agility and Inner Safety
00:41:09 - The Relationship with Oneself and Inner Safety
00:42:12 - The Impact of Meaning and Happiness on Well-Being
00:43:45 - The Importance of Emotional and Psychological Flexibility
00:44:59 - Inner Safety and Standing Behind Oneself
00:45:44 - Journaling for Self-Reflection and Well-Being
00:47:55 - The Role of Community and Humor in a Good Life
00:49:28 - Final Thoughts on Self-Reflection and Well-Being
00:50:36 - Where to Find Sara’s Book

Episode #44: The Antifragile: Antifragility with Entrepreneur, MBA, AI consultant and dad, Josh Hernandez

In this episode we dive into the extraordinary life journey of a Josh Hernandez. Born and raised in El Paso, Texas, to teenage parents, our guest grew up in a nurturing environment where his father was in trucking and his mother ran a home daycare. This early exposure to leadership and working with people laid the foundation for his path.
Despite growing up in a lower-middle-class household, he found his way to a medical magnet high school situated in a lower socioeconomic area of the city. Here, he formed deep bonds with students from diverse backgrounds, enriching his worldview and empathy.
A self-described late bloomer in sports, he stood at just 4 feet 11 inches and weighed 100 pounds in his freshman year. Choosing to pivot from playing sports, he merged his love for athletics and medicine by becoming an athletic trainer, a decision that would shape his future.
His academic prowess led him to the University of New Mexico on a scholarship. He studied athletic training during this time and also received a scholarship for this. However, a lack of study skills resulted in the loss of this scholarship, bringing him back to El Paso where he attended UTEP. It was here that he honed his study techniques and refocused on a new goal: medical school.
Returning to UNM with a renewed academic scholarship, he graduated with a degree in Exercise Science. He then gained valuable experience working in a cardiac rehab clinic and as a Health Educator. But life had other plans.
In 2003, his father requested his help with a small trucking company, which they expanded from 3 to 75 trucks. Balancing the business with also completing medical school prerequisites, he also completed an MBA in 2007 and gained entry into UT Medical School at Houston in 2008. However, the Financial Crisis demanded more of his time in the family business, leading to a tough decision to step away from medical school.
His life took a profound turn in 2009 with the birth of his first child. This joy was shadowed by a traumatic event in 2013, when his son was attacked by a neighbor's dog, a harrowing experience that deeply impacted him and shaped his outlook on life.
Today, he is a dedicated husband and father of three. In May 2023, his trucking company was acquired, marking a significant transition in his life. Under his leadership, the company earned national recognition from the EPA, winning the Smartway Excellence Award thrice and the Smartway High Performer Award for seven consecutive years, accolades reserved for the top echelons of logistics companies.
 
Continuing on this remarkable journey, after leaving the trucking company, our guest embarked on yet another ambitious venture. Leveraging his diverse experiences in business, healthcare, and management, he founded an artificial intelligence (AI) consulting agency. This venture represents the culmination of his lifelong passion for technology and innovation. His agency specializes in helping businesses integrate AI into their operations, focusing on areas such as machine learning, data analytics, and process automation. His deep understanding of both the technical aspects of AI and the practical needs of businesses positions him uniquely to offer insightful, customized AI solutions. This new chapter in his career is not just a business endeavor but a mission to empower other organizations to harness the transformative power of AI, driving efficiency, innovation, and growth. Join us as we delve deeper into his journey and explore how his AI consulting agency is making a significant impact in the world of technology and business.
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Timestamps:
00:04:01 - Josh's Introduction to Antifragility and Its Application00:06:11 - Proactive Planning and Business Resilience00:08:39 - Honoring Others' Antifragility00:09:25 - Josh's Upbringing and Family Background00:12:11 - Learning from Challenges and Building Resilience00:14:43 - Josh's Academic and Professional Journey00:16:58 - Pivotal Life Events and Adaptability00:19:29 - Josh's Athletic Training and Academic Struggles00:21:36 - Transition from Medical School to Family Business00:23:17 - Overcoming the Financial Crisis with the Family Business00:24:10 - Personal Crisis and Seeking Counseling00:27:22 - The Dog Attack Incident and Its Aftermath00:28:54 - Partnership Announcement with Antifragile Academy00:31:36 - Josh's Approach to Fear and Vulnerability00:33:07 - The Role of Social Support in Resilience00:34:20 - Flexibility and Emotional Response in Antifragility00:36:09 - Social Interaction as a Key to Resilience00:38:26 - Instilling Resilience and Antifragility in Children00:40:22 - Parenting Strategies for Building Resilience00:43:07 - Well-being as a Collective Endeavor00:44:02 - Teaching Children Through Explicit and Implicit Lessons00:46:15 - Personal Anecdotes of Guiding Children's Development

Episode #43: The Antifragile: Antifragility with 2x Inc. 300 CEO, entrepreneur, author and dad, Bob Goulet

In this episode, we dive into a conversation with Bob Goulet. Bob is an American entrepreneur, inventor, and life artist. He is the inventor on more than two dozen patents globally and is a two-time Inc. 500 award winner who has also been recognized globally in the sciences. 
A passionate student of life, he has traveled the world and studied with many of the greatest spiritual teachers of our time. He also holds a BS and MS in chemical engineering from the University of Connecticut and Clemson University, respectively as well as an MBA from Duke University.
In 2022 Bob published Chasm: A Deep Journey in Meaning and Wholeness, a memoir about Bob’s journey from tragedy to deep personal growth and evolution. 
He currently resides in North Carolina with his son.
 
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Episode #42: The Antifragile: Antifragility with Aerospace Engineer, Entrepreneur, Defense Expert and Mom, Jackie Space

In this episode, we dive into a conversation with Jackie Space, a highly accomplished individual with experience in national security, aerospace, and academia. Jackie's journey through professional challenges, failures, and successes sheds light on the concept of anti-fragility. We explore how she navigates discomfort and strives to create opportunities for herself and her daughter. Tune in to gain insights from Jackie's inspiring story and approach to life.
Jackie is a co-founder and senior vice-president of BMNT, a national security focused innovation consultancy and early-stage technology incubator. She was also part of the first teaching team for the Hacking for Defense course at Stanford University, and now supports the expansion of H4D into 30 Universities as an advisory board member of the Common Mission Project, the non-profit that develops and supports H4D and other “Hacking for” programs.
 
Jackie is a thought leader on public-private partnerships, called to the White House and Pentagon to contribute on topics of national security and technology. She is an advisor to the aerospace focused venture capital fund, Kluz Ventures/The Flying Object, and is a contributor to the Defense Investors Network facilitated by BMNT.
 
In her previous service in the Air Force, Jackie led joint aerospace programs for military and intelligence customers. Jackie has a B.S. in Behavioral Sciences from the U.S. Air Force Academy and an M.S. in Systems Engineering from Loyola Marymount University.
 
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Timestamps:
[00:05] Jackie Space's professional background
[04:42] Career-changing experiences.
[12:24] Finding alignment with values.
[13:13] Pursuing a career in space.
[25:10] Commercial Space and Military Challenges.
[29:28] Building a startup in Silicon Valley.
[39:43] Success and Growth Journey.
[42:50] Embracing failure and success.
[49:38] Self-discovery journey.
[55:13] Increased self-awareness through therapy.
[56:26] The myth of productivity hacks.
[01:00:12] Shifting perspective for personal growth.
[01:06:26] Parenting and self-worth.
[01:09:04] Helicopter parenting and independence.

Episode #41: The Antifragile: Antifragility with entrepreneur, investor, IPO expert, bestselling author and father, Peter Goldstein

Peter Goldstein is a seasoned entrepreneur, capital markets expert, and investor with over 35 years of diverse international business experience. Throughout his career, he's held pivotal roles, including CEO, chairman, investment banker, founder, board member, investor, and advisor to public, private, and emerging growth companies. 
Peter's achievements span capital markets specializing in equity financing, strategic planning, and transaction structuring. These include numerous successful IPOs, M&A, uplisting, reverse merger transactions, private placements, and crowdfunding campaigns. 
He's the founder of Exchange Listing, LLC, dedicated to facilitating growth companies' listings on esteemed exchanges like NASDAQ and the NYSE, and Emmis Capital, a specialized boutique fund investing in global small and microcap pre-IPO growth companies. 
 
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Timestamps:
00:01:09 - Introducing Peter Goldstein00:02:23 - Peter's background and achievements00:04:34 - Defining Antifragility00:07:46 - The role of adaptability in antifragility00:10:02 - Entrepreneurship and antifragility00:12:36 - Chosen suffering and meaningful pursuits00:14:07 - Peter's early entrepreneurial experiences00:20:29 - The influence of family values on Peter's resilience00:27:44 - Parenting and instilling antifragility00:30:36 - Embracing uncertainty in a global context00:37:11 - Rebuilding After Setbacks00:40:14 - Wellbeing, skills, and performance in Antifragility00:42:41 - Peter's approach to well-being and self-Care00:47:32 - Managing stress and embracing support networks00:50:15 - The role of coaching in optimal Performance00:51:13 - Parenting and teaching antifragility to Kids

Episode #40: Special Series on The Antifragile: Antifragility with world champion, bestselling author and performance coach, Donene Taylor

Donene Taylor is a professional author and speaker who delivers energizing,
inspirational, and motivational presentations and workshops to many different
communities, teams, and organizations.
 
Donene is the #1 best-selling author of two books. Her first book, Heart of a
Champion, unpacks her journey of self-discovery as she attained her dream to
become a world champion. Her second and latest book, Master the Art of Winning,
provides readers with steps to take so they can dig digger, and do the
transformational work needed to build their Championship Playbook of how-to
rundown their Bold Goals, at an optimal level.
 
Donene is a Certified Mental Performance Coach. She coaches athletes with tried
and true, proven strategies that help them close the gap between where they are
and where they want to be. She empowers athletes to reach their full potential as
they run down their Bold Goals to become the best version of themselves.
 
She joined the Women’s Professional Rodeo Association (WPRA) in 1998 and
became a WPRA World Champion Tie-Down Calf Roper in 2016. Donene is also a
4-time WPRA Mountain States Circuit Champion Tie-Down Calf Roper.
 
Donene and her husband, Stan, reside in one of the best small towns ever,
Glenrock, Wyoming. She continues to compete with the most elite women rodeo
athletes in the world, in the WPRA. Just like you, she has Bold Goals and is running
them down, one step at a time.
 
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Timestamps:
00:27 - Donenes Background and Achievements01:09 - The Role of Antifragility in Life and Parenting02:44 - Donine's Personal Definition of Anti-Fragility03:47 - Misconceptions About Anti-Fragility04:40 - Embracing Vulnerability and Courage05:20 - Breaking Away from Patterns & Overcoming Personal Loops07:09 - A Pivotal Moment at a Bull Riding School10:06 - Seeking Out Role Models and Coaches11:45 - Building an Elite Inner Circle13:01 - The Importance of Support Structures14:28 - The Decision to Seek Help and Change17:12 - The Shift from Resilience to Antifragility18:55 - Leveraging Emotional Regulation for Growth & Antifragility24:09 - The Impact of Family Dynamics on Personal Growth25:18 - The Choice to Survive and Thrive26:13 - Leveraging Negative Emotions for Positive Change27:36 - The Complexity of Parent-Child Relationships34:05 - Creating Space for Mindful Responses37:08 - Being Your Own Best Coach38:19 - Parenting with Antifragility in Mind39:37 - Encouraging Independence in Children40:50 - Balancing Challenge and Support in Parenting42:53 - Allowing Children to Face Challenges45:00 - Teaching Children to Earn Their Achievements47:34 - The Role of Support in Antifragility49:03 - Modeling Antifragility for Children

Episode #39: Special Series on The Antifragile: Antifragility with combat veteran and leadership trainer, Kawika Lau

Across our nearly 40 conversations with experts on flourishing one of the most consistent themes we’ve heard is that consistent flourishing often depends on ability to endure, and even leverage chosen unpleasantness. In other words, to develop antifragility. So, we decided to dig deeper! 
In this special series on antifragility, Nick dives deep with clients, friends and colleagues who exemplify what it means to embrace and live with antifragility as a foundation for more frequent flourishing. In each episode, you’ll hear about our highly accomplished guest, there lived examples of antifragility and how they go about embedding elements of antifragility into the parenting of their children. 
In this first episode of the series, the show hosted Kawika Lau. Kawika is a keynote speaker, facilitator, and educator who is passionate about adding value to your leadership journey.
Kawika has found purpose in sharing philosophy, empirical data, and personal stories to inspire and illuminate a path for people to lead full and complete lives, and flourish forward after the storms of life hit.
Kawika holds several professional certifications and teaches in areas that include: DISC Model Train the Trainer, Motivators Model Train the Trainer, and Tactical Medical Instructor, Physical Fitness and Wellness Coordinator, and Leadership Concepts. Kawika has delivered keynotes and facilitated learning experiences in several nations.
After the 9/11 attacks, Kawika spent over fourteen years serving as an international team leader with the Federal Air Marshal Service, and was also an instructor at the Federal Air Marshal academy.
Kawika retired from the U.S. Army in 2014 with 21 years of service in the active, reserve, and National Guard components, having served as the Deputy Team Chief of an Embedded Counterinsurgency Advisor mission to Afghan National Security Forces during his last deployment. Kawika was awarded the Bronze Star and Purple Heart for his actions in combat.
Kawika remains active in the veteran community as a volunteer with local combat wounded veterans, and enjoys giving back by volunteering with nonprofit organizations like Task Force Hydro 1 and the Warrior Surf Foundation.
 
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Timestamps:
[02:22] Antifragility demonstrated in life.
[04:50] Family tradition of military service.
[09:41] Memory and traumatic brain injury.
[13:23] Survivor's guilt.
[17:46] Surviving trauma and self-blame.
[20:09] Post-traumatic growth concept.
[22:36] Post-traumatic growth.
[26:20] Living for something greater than self.
[30:26] The military camaraderie concept.
[35:30] Resilience in ethnically divided society.
[39:24] The power of memories.
[43:23] Purpose and forgiveness.
[45:08] Spiritual experience during survival.
[49:56] Spirituality and faith journey.
[53:41] Cultivating pillars of personal growth.
[57:36] Building resilience in children.
[1:00:10] Dealing with bullies and challenges.
[1:05:00] Distractions in modern life.
[1:08:03] Pursuit of meaning over happiness.
 

Episode #38: Leadership for Flourishing, with Emmie Bidston and Dr. Katy Granville-Chapman

We interview Emmie Bidston and Dr. Katy Granville-Chapman, authors of Leader: Know, love and inspire your people (2020), about leadership for flourishing. Our conversation focuses on what makes a great leader and how to promote flourishing through leadership.
Emmie is an Associate Fellow of the Oxford Character Project and a Senior Fellow of the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard’s Flourishing Network. Emmie studied Economics at the University of Cambridge before working for the UK civil service in a range of areas from education to contingency planning. She is currently head of Economics at Wellington College and Director of the Wellington Leadership and Coaching Institute. She co-founded a charity to help develop young leaders in Africa and runs conferences, coaching and leadership training for adults and young people.
Katy is an associate fellow of the Oxford Character Project, a Doctoral Teaching Fellow at Oxford University’s Department of Education, a Research Associate at the Oxford University Wellbeing Research Centre, and a Senior Fellow of the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard’s Flourishing Network. She is the co-founder of Global Social Leaders, a movement of young people in 105 countries who design and lead social action projects that make a meaningful change in their communities. Katy is also a Deputy Headteacher at Wellington College, focusing on teacher performance and development, and founder of the Wellington Leadership and Coaching Institute.
Emmie and Katy’s book Leader has been shortlisted for the Business Book Awards ‘leadership book of the future’ and longlisted for the Chartered Management Institute’s Management Book of the Year.
 
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Timestamps:
00:00:06 - Introduction to the Episode
00:00:17 - Emmie's Background
00:00:48 - Katy’s Background
00:01:21 - Their book on Leadership for Flourishing
00:02:27 - Guests' Connection with the Hosts
00:03:09 - Guests' Varied Career Paths
00:03:27 - Emmie's Journey to Leadership
00:04:47 - Katy's Military Experience and Leadership Insights
00:06:12 - Katy's Transition into Education and Leadership
00:08:36 - Emmie and Katy's Collaboration
00:09:33 - Overview of their Various Projects
00:10:56 - Katie's Role at Wellington College
00:11:34 - Leadership for Flourishing
00:15:03 - Defining Human Flourishing
00:18:16 - Hedonic vs. Eudaimonic Well-Being
00:22:16 - The Role of Unpleasantness in Flourishing
00:24:03 - What Makes a Great Leader
00:26:01 - Examples of Courageous and Loving Leaders
00:30:38 - The Importance of Authenticity in Leadership
00:32:23 - Developing Character and Virtues
00:34:14 - The Double-Edged Sword of Character Strengths
00:37:49 - The Three Key Lessons for Leaders
00:39:09 - Practical Advice for Leaders
00:41:11 - The Role of Authenticity in Leadership
00:42:37 - Factors for Outstanding Team Performance
00:44:59 - Love as a Central Leadership Skill
00:47:19 - Love's Role in Team Dynamics
00:50:59 - Matthew Lee's Work on Love in Education

Episode #37: How to get on the path to antifragility, peak performance and fulfilling your potential, with Dr. Adam Wright

We interview Dr. Adam Wright, Director of Mental Performance at the Washington Nationals and Co-founder at the Antifragile Academy, about how to build antifragility to fulfil your potential and maximize your performance.
Adam Wright is a certified mental skills consultant and executive coach with broad experience and interdisciplinary academic training. His primary professional focus is enhancing individual and team performance while fostering a sense of flourishing in their pursuit of excellence.
With over two decades of experience in high-stakes environments where excellence is not an option but a necessity, Adam has supported a wide range of clients, including amateur and professional athletes, corporate executives, emergency first responders, and prominent figures in the arts. His consulting expertise spans performance arenas, such as the NFL, MLB, European PGA, MLS, Hollywood, and Wall Street.
Adam operates a performance consulting practice based in New York City. He also serves as the Director of Mental Performance for the Washington Nationals Major League Baseball Team and is a Co-founder of the Antifragile Academy. He has taught in the various colleges' exercise science and psychology departments and continues mentoring early career professionals.
 
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Timestamps:
00:00:27 - Adam’s Expertise and Background
00:01:00 - Upcoming Series on Antifragility
00:01:24 - Understanding Antifragility and Related Concepts
00:02:09 - Adam’s Career Journey and Personal Insights
00:08:19 - The Big Why: Motivations Behind Pursuing Human Performance
00:10:03 - Defining Flourishing and Its Distinction from Mental Health
00:12:09 - The Ingredients of Flourishing
00:13:08 - The Role of Self-Awareness in Flourishing
00:14:06 - Adam’s Personal Struggles and Overcoming Them
00:16:07 - The Relativity of Flourishing to Individual Baselines
00:17:13 - High Performers' Attributes and Their Connection to Flourishing
00:18:19 - The Surprising Reality of High Achievers' Lives
00:19:23 - The Recipe for Antifragility
00:22:54 - Age and Development of Antifragile Attributes
00:24:03 - The Foundation of Antifragility: Self-Knowledge and Skills
00:25:07 - The Antifragile Mindset and Embracing Discomfort
00:26:42 - Nassim Taleb's Concept of Antifragility
00:28:10 - Supercompensation and Its Relation to Antifragility
00:29:44 - Resilience, Mental Toughness, Grit, and Antifragility
00:31:11 - Building Antifragile Behaviors
00:32:35 - Choking Under Pressure vs. Leveraging Skills
00:33:34 - The Importance of Self-Awareness in Antifragility
00:34:50 - The Role of Interoception and Emotions in Antifragility
00:37:02 - Accepting Unpleasantness as Part of Growth
00:38:25 - The Challenge of Deep Self-Reflection
00:39:30 - Practical Steps to Begin Cultivating Antifragility
00:41:34 - The Scariest Thing: Deep Self-Reflection
00:44:42 - Closing Remarks and Invitation to Subscribe

Episode #36: How to prevent and recover from burnout, with “The Burnout Doc,” Dr. Sharon Grossman

We interview Dr. Sharon Grossman, also known as the “Burnout Doc,” about how to prevent and recover from burnout, and manage stress.
We discuss what burnout is, its symptoms and causes, and how to identify and reduce the risk of it. The conversation provides practical tips and strategies for preventing and recovering from burnout, managing stress, and building resilience. 
Sharon Grossman is a leading expert on burnout, stress, productivity, and employee well-being. She is a psychologist, executive coach, keynote speaker, and author of the international bestseller The Solution to Burnout: 7 Steps from Exhausted to Extraordinary (2020). Her most recent book is The Stress Advantage: Lessons from the Tennis Court (2023). 
 
Sharon teaches, trains and coaches people and organizations to become resilient in the face of stress, build the skills for optimal performance, redesign their mindsets, habits and lifestyle, and overcome resentment. 
 
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Timestamps:
00:00:05 - Introduction to Dr. Sharon Grossman
00:00:53 - Burnout and Its Symptoms
00:01:36 - Stress and Burnout
00:02:21 - The Complexity of Burnout
00:03:14 - Empowering Individuals to Address Burnout
00:04:08 - Chronic Stress and Its Impact
00:05:26 - The Role of Organizational and Personal Factors in Burnout
00:06:11 - Understanding Stress and Its Chronic Nature
00:07:07 - Psychological Triggers and Chronic Stress
00:08:12 - The Stress Bucket Analogy
00:09:17 - Identifying Patterns in Burnout Experiences
00:10:07 - Mindset Shifts to Combat Burnout
00:11:00 - The Importance of Personal Responsibility in Burnout
00:12:15 - The Stress-Burnout Continuum
00:13:17 - The Stigma Around Burnout
00:14:19 - The Role of Personal Factors in Burnout
00:15:20 - Defining Burnout Beyond Workplace Stress
00:16:26 - The Stress Bucket Overflowing
00:17:19 - Symptoms of Burnout: Exhaustion, Cynicism, and Reduced Performance
00:18:35 - The Emotional Impact of Stress and Burnout
00:19:14 - The Importance of Coping Mechanisms
00:20:20 - The Role of Triggers in Stress and Burnout
00:21:20 - The Importance of Self-Awareness in Managing Stress
00:22:22 - Clarifying the Definition of Stress
00:23:09 - The Role of Emotional Responses in Stress
00:24:29 - The World Health Organization's Definition of Burnout
00:25:21 - Challenging Standard Definitions of Burnout
00:26:16 - The Three Contributing Factors to Burnout
00:27:21 - The Thinker, Feeler, and Doer Personality Structures
00:29:29 - The Nuances of Burnout and Personalized Recovery
00:30:32 - The Symptoms of Burnout and Their Variability
00:31:31 - Gender Disparities in Burnout Experiences
00:32:37 - The “7E Solution” to Burnout
00:35:18 - Understanding the Spectrum of Burnout Symptoms
00:36:05 - Necessary Conditions and Symptoms of Burnout
00:37:09 - The 7E Solution to Burnout and Emotional Intelligence
00:38:13 - The Importance of Self-Awareness in Burnout Recovery
00:39:09 - Identifying Personal Contributors to Burnout
00:40:26 - The 7E Solution Framework for Burnout Recovery
00:41:10 - The Role of Emotional Intelligence in Burnout Recovery
00:42:35 - The 7E Solution to Burnout: Emotional Intelligence
00:43:47 - The Impact of Appreciation and Purpose on Burnout
00:44:29 - Deciding to Stay or Leave a Stressful Work Environment
00:45:12 - The Trap of Financial Obligations and Burnout
00:46:06 - A Blueprint for Self-Coaching
00:47:14 - Emotional Intelligence as the First Step to Burnout Recovery
00:48:06 - Breaking Negative Thinking Patterns to Prevent Burnout
00:49:00 - A Client's Experience with Catastrophizing and Burnout
00:49:54 - Realizing the Power of Networking to Overcome Burnout Fears