Flourish FM
What does it take to flourish? We started Flourish FM to share cutting edge research from world experts on how to thrive, so you can take away big ideas and practical steps to enhance your life, the lives of others, and, ultimately, make the world a better place. Flourish FM is hosted by Dr. Jon Beale and Dr. Nick Holton, and in collaboration with the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University, the Department of Education at the University of Oxford, and The Shipley School.
Episodes

Monday Sep 12, 2022
Monday Sep 12, 2022
This is the first of a two-part series on the relationship between flourishing and flow - the psychological state of optimal experience and performance. Research suggests that experiencing flow significantly enhances our well-being.
In this episode, we talk to Dr Carol Grojean and Dr Brent Hogarth about the flow state and its relationship to flourishing.
As a Leadership professional in the areas of Organizational Effectiveness, Project Management, and Transformational Change, Dr Carol Grojean has spent the past 20 years’ guiding large, complex, strategic initiatives. Carol is adept at designing and implementing programs which drive strategic business and organizational culture shifts through building trust and delivering results. With extensive business process, project, and program management skillset built on 3 Masters degrees and a Ph.D. in organizational systems psychology: leadership and social transformation as well as wilderness rite of passage guiding, council facilitating, and peace mediation training. Carol brings a unique and much-needed perspective on the human behavior in human systems, focused on building cultures where individuals at all levels can bring their distinct, creative talents to their roles while providing the necessary skills to the whole system values and vision.
Dr. Brent Hogarth is a Sport and Clinical Psychologist from Vancouver, Canada. He is an expert in training flow-state, mindfulness, and self-control for both sport and corporate athletes. Brent has significant training and experience providing performance enhancement and mental health counseling. This includes, but is not limited to, working with Olympic and professional athletes, serial entrepreneurs, members of the USA military, computer engineers, authors, hedge fund managers and more. Brent's clinical counseling experience is vast, and he sees everyone as having the ability to be a high-performer. He completed his Doctoral fellowships at the University of Texas, at El Paso, and Lehigh University, in Bethlehem, PA. After a short stint as a fitness trainer, he traveled to India where he lived in a Buddhist Monastery and completed a Yoga Teacher training Course. It was at this moment - sitting in meditation on the hills of McLeod Ganj, India - that Brent committed to becoming a psychologist. Dr. Hogarth is a Humanistic-Existential psychologist. His theoretical orientation is Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). ACT uses acceptance and mindfulness strategies, together with commitment and behavior change strategies, to increase psychological flexibility. Psychological flexibility means contacting the present moment fully, and based on what the situation affords, changing or persisting in behavior in the service of clients’ chosen values.
Key conversation points:
The place of flow in human flourishing
Why focusing on integration of the self and experience is important for flow: “doing” vs. “being”, and integrating the “me” with the “we”
Why it’s important for getting into flow to not try to get into flow, but rather to “let go”
The importance of embracing and engaging in a process of struggle to get into flow
The importance of being aware of the potential dark side of flow
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Monday Aug 22, 2022
Monday Aug 22, 2022
In this episode we talked to Professor Lea Waters about the pathways towards well-being and why ‘strengths-based parenting’ is important.
Lea is Founding Director of and Inaugural Gerry Higgins Chair in Positive Psychology at the Centre for Positive Psychology (now the Centre for Wellbeing Science), University of Melbourne. Lea holds affiliate positions at Cambridge University and the University of Michigan and serves on the Scientific Board at UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center. Lea is the Past President of the International Positive Psychology Association, serves on the Council of Happiness and Education for the World Happiness Council, is the Patron of Flourishing Education Japan and Ambassador for the Positive Education Schools Association. She is a registered psychologist and a full member of the Australian Psychological Society.
Key convo points are:
Lea’s tripartite account of flourishing as feeling good, functioning well and doing good.
The connection Lea draws between her account of flourishing and positive psychology - the scientific study of the conditions and processes leading to human flourishing.
Lea’s ‘SEARCH’ framework on the six pathways to well-being: Strengths, Emotional management, Attention & Awareness, Relationships, Coping, and Habits & goals.
Lea’s view that flourishing is the aim of education, and her research on how improving well-being in education supports the fulfillment of students’ learning.
Lea’s argument that to build well-being, we need to make well-being more visible, in similar ways to how we try to make thinking visible.
The age at which humans gain a sense of purpose in life.
What strengths-based parenting is and why parents should consider employing it.
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Monday Aug 15, 2022
Monday Aug 15, 2022
In this episode we are talking to Jeff Duncan-Andrade, Ph.D., a Professor of Latina/o Studies and Race and Resistance Studies at San Francisco State University. He is also a founder of the Roses in Concrete Community School, a community responsive lab school in East Oakland (rosesinconcrete.org) and the Community Responsive Education Group (communityresponsive.org). As a classroom teacher and school leader in East Oakland (CA) for the past 28 years, his pedagogy has been widely studied and acclaimed for producing uncommon levels of social and academic success for students. Duncan-Andrade lectures around the world and has authored numerous journal articles and book chapters on effective practices in schools. He has written two books and his third book with Harvard University Press is due for publication in spring 2022. In 2016, Duncan-Andrade was part of the great educators invited to the White House on National Teacher Appreciation Day by President Obama, and in 2019 he was chosen as the Laureate for the prestigious Brock International Prize in Education. In 2021, he was selected to join the Board of Prevent Child Abuse America. Duncan-Andrade has also been ranked as one of the nation’s most influential scholars by EdWeek’s Public Influence Rankings.
Key points we talked about:
Hear about how he’s navigating COVID as a father, professor and educational leader.
The childhood experiences that built him into the person he is today and field the things he cares.
The way unearned suffering cuts across so many groups. People are situated on the margins of society.
Consistent pursuit to keep his thumb of the heartbeat of research and narratives around educational reform and building a different type of educational experience. One that would eventually put well-being at the center of that educational experience.
Mention his school Roses in Concrete a different kind of school
Mention their definition of well-being for their students: ‘Youth Wellness’
The act of giving one’s child over to a school or teacher every morning
We’re measuring the wrong stuff
Keeping both individual and collective wellness in mind: ‘community-responsive youth wellness’
Tips from our expert as a part of the flourishing question

Tuesday Aug 09, 2022
Tuesday Aug 09, 2022
In this episode we talked to Professor Angie Hobbs about how we can apply the ancient Greek philosophy of flourishing to our lives today.
Angie gained a degree in Classics and a PhD in Ancient Philosophy at the University of Cambridge. After a Research Fellowship at Christ’s College, Cambridge, she moved to the Philosophy Department at the University of Warwick; in 2012 she was appointed Professor of the Public Understanding of Philosophy at the University of Sheffield, a position created for her. She now holds a position with this title at the University of Warwick. Her chief interests are in ancient philosophy and literature, and ethics and political theory from classical thought to the present, and she has published widely in these areas, including Plato and the Hero (C.U.P). Her most recent publication for the general public is Plato’s Republic: a Ladybird Expert Book. She contributes regularly to radio and TV programmes and other media around the world, including 24 appearances on In Our Time on BBC Radio 4. She has spoken at the World Economic Forum at Davos, the Athens Democracy Forum, the Houses of Parliament, the Scottish Parliament and Westminster Abbey and been the guest on Desert Island Discs, Private Passions and Test Match Special.
Angie was a judge of the Man Booker International Prize 2019 and was on the World Economic Forum Global Future Council 2018-9 for Values, Ethics and Innovation.
www.angiehobbs.com
Twitter @drangiehobbs
Key conversation points:
Why flourishing is about the best actualization and fulfillment of all our faculties.
Why flourishing means living the best life, both individually and as communities.
The values and virtues that best help us fulfill our faculties.
The relevance and importance of Plato’s and Aristotle’s accounts of flourishing to the world today and how we live.
Flourishing and the wholeness of our lives, in terms of lifespan, our characters, and our relations with others.
Why flourishing gives you a secure framework of what it means to live a full, rich human life, both for yourself and your community.
The role and importance of social connection in flourishing, particularly friendships and community connection.
The dark side of flourishing.
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Tuesday Aug 02, 2022
Tuesday Aug 02, 2022
In this epsiode we talked to Dr Tom Chatfield. He is a British author, philosopher of technology, and educator. He is interested in improving our understanding of digital technology and its uses in policy, education and engagement. He’s particularly interested in the teaching and practice of critical thinking skills, and has worked with schools, universities and companies around their development, as well as creating award-winning online courses for both academic institutions and businesses.
Key conversation points were:
Our relationship with technology and how this impacts our flourishing
How to reduce technology blurring the lines between work and leisure
How to use technology well, rather than being used by technology
Attention: what it is; its importance for living a good life; and the dangers of monetizing attention
The importance of collaboration and humility as virtues for thinking and living well
The importance of critical thinking skills for leading flourishing lives - in particular, avoiding coercion, reaching effective collaborative decisions, and identifying misinformation and disinformation

Tuesday Jul 26, 2022
Tuesday Jul 26, 2022
Dr David Johnson is Reader in Comparative and International Education and Fellow of St Antony’s College at the University of Oxford. He convenes Oxford’s Centre for Comparative and International Education and recently held the position of Chen Yiden Global Visiting Fellow at Harvard.
Dr. Matthew T. Lee is Director of Empirical Research at the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University, where he also leads the Program’s Community of Practice. He is also a Distinguished Visiting Scholar of Health, Flourishing, and Positive Psychology at Stony Brook University’s Center for Medical Humanities, Compassionate Care, and Bioethics.
Key Takeaways from this episode are:
Multidimensional nature of flourishing, being inter-systemic, involving multiple systems: connections between flourishing and (i) the natural environment; (ii) justice; (iii) religion & spirituality; (iv) suffering; (v) contentedness; (vi) belonging; (vii) service to others; (viii) the narrative you tell of your life; (vi) empathy; (x) love; (xi) secureness in who we are; (xi) inner and outer harmony
Flourishing as a process of growth and becoming
Pathways to flourishing, globally
The metaphor of discovering greater depth in oneself as a better metaphor for flourishing than growth. Connection with this and contentedness.
Matt and David’s work worldwide: David’s work in various nations, including Bhutan; Matt’s work with the Global Flourishing Study
The limits of physical and emotional load for human beings, in relation to flourishing (examples of low well-being for medical students and professionals in the US, and teachers)
Matt on the role of love in flourishing: ‘warm’ and ‘cold’ relationships

Tuesday Jul 19, 2022
Tuesday Jul 19, 2022
Today we are talking to Anna Lemke, MD about the relation between dopamine and fourishing.
Overarching themes:
Dopamine, it’s role in pleasure and motivation
The relation between dopamine and human flourishing
How to flourish while navigating addiction
Dr. Anna Lembke received her undergraduate degree in Humanities from Yale University and her medical degree from Stanford University. She is currently Professor and Medical Director of Addiction Medicine, Stanford University School of Medicine. She is also Program Director of the Stanford Addiction Medicine Fellowship, and Chief of the Stanford Addiction Medicine Dual Diagnosis Clinic.
Her latest book, Dopamine Nation: Finding Balance in the Age of Indulgence (Dutton/Penguin Random House, August 2021), was an instant New York Times and Los Angeles Times bestseller, and explores how to moderate compulsive overconsumption in a dopamine-overloaded world.

Sunday Jul 10, 2022
Sunday Jul 10, 2022
Our third episode guest is Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman. Key discussion points were:
- the sailboat metaphor and human flourishing
- education and flourishing
Scott Barry Kaufman is a cognitive scientist and humanistic psychologist exploring the mind, creativity, and the depths of human potential. He is founder and director of the Center for the Science of Human Potential and an Honorary Principal Fellow at the University of Melbourne’s Centre for Wellbeing Science. Dr. Kaufman has taught at Columbia University, Yale, NYU, the University of Pennsylvania, and elsewhere. Dr. Kaufman received a B.S. in psychology and human computer interaction from Carnegie Mellon, an M. Phil in experimental psychology from the University of Cambridge under a Gates Cambridge Scholarship, and a Ph.D. in cognitive psychology from Yale University.
Dr. Kaufman hosts the #1 psychology podcast in the world— The Psychology Podcast— which has received over 20 million downloads and was included in Business Insider’s list of “9 podcasts that will change how you think about human behavior.”

Sunday Jul 10, 2022
Sunday Jul 10, 2022
Today we are talking with Emily Esfahani Smith about the role and importance of meaning in human flourishing. Emily also touches on how to find meaning in life and what meaning consists of - the 'four pillars' of meaning and the role each pillar may play in human flourishing.
Emily Esfahani Smith is a writer in Washington DC. In her writing, she draws on psychology, philosophy, and literature to write about the human experience — why we are the way we are and how we can find grace and meaning in a world that is full of suffering. Her book The Power of Meaning, an international bestseller, was published by Crown and has been translated into 16 different languages. The Wall Street Journal called the book “persuasive,” “elegant,” and “valuable” while the Prospect (UK) dubbed it “an intelligent page-turner.” She is also an international speaker who has delivered dozens of keynote addresses and workshops at corporations, conferences, non-profit organizations, libraries, universities, and high schools around the country and world. In 2017, Smith delivered a talk called “There’s More to Life Than Being Happy” on the main stage of TED, which was based on her book. It’s been viewed over 9 million times.

Saturday Jul 09, 2022
Saturday Jul 09, 2022
This week we talk with Todd Kashdan, author and TEDx speaker about flourishing.
Key takeaways will be the relationship between your various areas of specialization and human flourishing, including but not limited to:
- curiousity and openness to experience
- affective science (specifically pleasantness and unpleasantness or "positive and negative" emotions)
-psychological flexibility done through conversations
Todd Kashdan, Ph.D., received the American Psychological Association’s Distinguished Scientific Award in 2013 and Distinguished Faculty Member of the Year at George Mason University in 2010. He has published over 210 scientific journal articles on psychological strengths such as curiosity and courage, emotional agility, meaning and purpose in life, social relationships, leveraging stress for optimal performance, resilience, and well-being.
Author of several books, Kashdan’s latest is The Art of Insubordination: How to Dissent and Defy Effectively. His work has been featured on CNN and NPR, as well as media outlets including the Harvard Business Review, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Time Magazine, Newsweek, Fast Company and Scientific American.
He is a TEDx speaker and works with organizations as diverse as Mercedes-Benz, the World Bank, United States Department of Defense, Merck, Hormel, General Mills, Gensler, the Gap, and Standard Chartered Bank. He gives keynotes and workshops to business executives, schools, parents, retirees, scholars, and health professionals.